What's With the Dudes at the Door?

Kevin Johnson & James White, What's With the Dudes at the Door (Bethany House, 1998)---A book I reccomended on the podcast today.

2101E65A9SLYou can get this book for like a penny now on Amazon. My husband and I used it over ten years ago to teach the youth group at our old church about cults. It’s actually written for teens. Think about it, what’s a kid’s normal reaction when someone comes knocking with all their paraphernalia to “share their faith?” They call for you. And that it good, because we tell them not to open the door for strangers and all that safety stuff. But, how prepared are they to deal with these situations?

The dudes love to come knocking at the door in college.

Kevin Johnson and James White lay out a very helpful way to teach teens about what a cult actually is, and isn’t, why it’s important to know, and what certain cults actually believe. The book was published in 1998. I seem to remember the word cult having a little more traction in conversation than it does now. When we think of the word cult, our minds immediately go to the whole, “don’t drink the Kool-Aid”  extreme, don’t they? But what is a cult? Johnson and White give a very helpful definition:

A cult is a group that claims to be Christian—often claiming that they alone are the true Christian Church—but denies the core teachings that define the Christian faith. (32).

Notice, to actually be considered a cult, they have to claim to be Christian. And yet they deny the very teachings that really are exclusive to Christianity. They fail in one or more of these categories:

  1. Who God is
  2. What God has done in Jesus
  3. How we know (the Bible) (33)

And so the authors labor to explain that there are plenty of religious groups who teach wrong beliefs, but are not a cult. A great benefit for teens using this book is that not only do they learn about some of the well-known cults and what they believe, but they will learn how to articulate answers to these three important questions above. There are helpful questions at the end of each chapter to help teens review what they have learned. Here’s one that I thought was particularly clarifying: “What’s the difference between being intolerant and unloving?” (37). This is still an important question for everyone to answer in our culture, right? And another one is actually a whole chapter, Can’t We All Just Get Along? The topic of dating someone of another faith is tackled in this chapter as well. It also addresses some of the good qualities that you may take from people who are involved in a cult. And it ends with three important points:

Only when you have the real truth can you have a real relationship with the real God.
Only when you have a real relationship with God can you have God’s peace.
Only when you have real peace will you show God’s love. (49-50)

These days the word cult is taboo. We don’t really identify Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses as cultists. Rather, we save it for the David Koreshes of the world. We save it for the mass murders who use religion to lure in their prey. But what do we call false religions, claiming to be Christian, and leading many to eternal destruction? Is the term cult no longer helpful? I don’t know. I think it may be good for our youth to be able to identify what these groups really believe and be protective over the Christian name. As teenagers begin forming more mature friendships, they should be equipped to interact with all different faiths. Of course, we should encourage them to deeply care for those who believe differently. And they will come to find that we all have a lot in common. But what is it that makes us different? And speaking of love and tolerance, pretending like we are all the same is not really loving—especially when there are eternal consequences. And true faith is the beginning of a new life in Christ. This is something that should never be compromised.

Even though this book is a bit dated, I recommend it because I think it is very helpful. Also, the authors do a good job of relating to teenagers without dumbing down the content. They do break it down to the main points, so that our youth can begin to learn how to discern what is exclusive to our great faith, why this is important, along with supplying a good introduction to what some of the major counterfeits believe. I’m adding it to my daughters’ reading pile.

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You are correct to say that

You are correct to say that some churches are like cults. Here in the UK we have a group calling itself the "Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland" which has some churches in England too.

They have a plethora of rules and regulations not in the Bible that enable them to control people. For example, they believe that it is sinful to attend a cremation even if the deceased is a close family member; they also believe it is an abomination for a lady to wear trousers. Once a church moves from grace to law, or mingles the two, then you have the signs of a cult.

Thanks for the review. I was

Thanks for the review. I was always under the impression that this was a book specifically about Mormonism, and since I had already Letters to a Mormon Elder by James White, I didn't see the point in reading this one. But maybe I will.

I never really liked to use the world cult to refer to theological cults since most people use the word exclusively in the sociological sense, and when you say some group is a "cult," people assume you mean it in the sociological sense rather than in the theological sense.

Now when it comes to Jehovah's Witnesses, I think they are a sociological cult as well as a theological cult. But I have still always shied away from using the term just to keep from alienating Jehovah's Witnesses.

I enjoyed the interesting

I enjoyed the interesting book review and also Tim's link about the Mormon missionaries. Good food for thought. I just read a book called Tactics by Greg Koukl.It is a practical book with gems of wisdom and a lot of ideas on ways to share our faith in a conversational and loving way.

Oh, my, I am so sorry for

Oh, my, I am so sorry for you! I am investigating this topic myself because of some issues, and came across a very helpful book: The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse: Recognizing and Escaping Spiritual Manipulation and False Spiritual Authority Within the Church, by David Johnson and Jeff VanVonderen. It not only helps people recognize the problem, but deals with healing as well.

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Genius.

Genius.

Yes, Tim, I find the book to

Yes, Tim, I find the book to be very engaging for teenagers as it focuses on the greatness of our God, and how caring about true teaching is loving. But, of course, it's for teenagers, so it's not encouraging them to invite them in on their own. Thanks for the link.

Thanks for the heads up on

Thanks for the heads up on this great resource. Going to grab it and make it a "coffee table book". Those tend to get picked up and read more often than when I "gift" it- Oh the joys of teenage boys!

Discernment is key when it

Discernment is key when it comes to talking to people about matters of faith, Aimee. As you said, "... pretending like we are all the same is not really loving—especially when there are eternal consequences." Does the book also guide people into what a loving response looks like in Christ? I think of my friend Bronwyn and her hospitality to the Mormon missionaries who came knocking at her door this summer.

Thanks much for your quick

Thanks much for your quick response, Aimee. At that price, it definitely is worth checking out and could also serve as a springboard to discuss other topics related to our experience. Really appreciate this review.

Great insight, Julie Ann. I

Great insight, Julie Ann. I would say that Dudes at the Door addresses you questions maybe in a more indirect way. For example, there is discussion about the one true mediator between God and man, and they give the teens tools to think for themselves in those sorts of situations. They do discuss peer pressure and how we are easily influenced. They also touch on something that your questions insinuate: those who preach a message of faith in Jesus + "whatever else" salvation.
Those are great points to bring up. It is so damaging to the Word of God to be giving lip service to some right doctrines and practicing such unbelieving methods. But I have seen this kind of controlling behavior in churches before.
Thanks for sharing your experience.

Thank you for this review.

Thank you for this review. Our family was in a cult and I think we commonly think of the crazy kind, but the reality is that false teachers creep in unnoticed. Even my husband and me, long-time Christians, were duped. I sensed something wrong the first week, but it took 2 years for that "wrong" to catch up with my husband and make him realize it was time to leave --- but that was after much damage and years later, we are still reeling.

One thing that is very important to understand is there are also high-controlling churches which function as cults. And in fact if you were to follow the definition noted in your article of cults, one might dismiss their high-controlling church as being a cult because they don't deny "the core teachings that define the Christian faith."

So in other words, the definition accurately define some cults, but there is another area in mind control and spiritual abuse that is equally as damaging. Some might not say high-controlling churches are cults and it's difficult to find the line where high controlling churches cross the line from church to cult, but essentially it doesn't matter because the damage done is the same and maybe even more so in the high controlling church because there is so much of the teaching seems right, if that makes sense.

I've got young kids still at home, so the idea of introducing this topic with them using a book geared to their age level appeals to me. Here is some of what we dealt with and I'm wondering if the book covers any of the following:

A leader who places himself in between you and God in your personal life, dictating what friends you can have, what family you interact with, where you can work, who you can marry, etc.

A leader who acts as "mediator" between you and God and presumes to speak for God. They "think" for you spiritually and their "doctrine" is the correct doctrine, everybody else has it wrong, so there is a sense of elitism.

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